In doing a series of articles related to projecting future offensive potential of a first year draft eligible forward from the CHL, there have been a few discoveries. The first discovery is that there is a strong relationship between junior stats and NHL stats. The second discovery is that age does play a factor with future offensive potential but only in regards to power play scoring. The third discovery is that a point in the QMJHL is worth the same as the OHL and the WHL. Using these as a basis, a linear equation was created to project a first year draft eligible forward from the CHL to their best season in the NHL. The formula for the model is:
(0.231+.404*Non-PP Pts/G) + (1.694+0.363*PP Pts/G-0.089*Age on Sep 15 of draft year).
Now that we have a formula for the NHL projections of draft eligible CHL forwards, we can start to apply it to various forwards. The first big question to ask is who is better, Sidney Crosby or Connor McDavid? So based on purely the formula for NHL projections or NHLP for short, what were Sidney Crosby’s projections in 2005:
Non-Power Play | Power Play | Total |
0.893 | 0.447 | 1.340 |
To break this down further, it would be interesting to see how a player would project for goals and assists. To do this, I chose to use their percentage of non-power play goals compared to non-power play points and their percentage of power play goals compared to power play points. For Crosby he had 65 goals with 19 of them on the power play (regular season and playoffs) and 119 assists with 57 of them on the power play. When we break that down Crosby projects to be:
Non-Power Play | ||
Goals | Assists | Points |
36.33 | 36.92 | 73.25 |
Power Play | ||
Goals | Assists | Points |
9.16 | 27.47 | 36.62 |
Total | ||
Goals | Assists | Points |
45.48 | 64.39 | 109.87 |
When we do the same for McDavid (as of April 19, 2015), his breakdown is:
Non-Power Play | ||
Goals | Assists | Points |
36.18 | 40.11 | 76.29 |
Power Play | ||
Goals | Assists | Points |
5.24 | 21.55 | 26.79 |
Total | ||
Goals | Assists | Points |
41.42 | 61.66 | 103.08 |
Those are amazing results for both players, especially if compared to the Art Ross winner Jamie Benn this year with 87 points. Now I need more than Crosby and McDavid for comparisons so I have gone back using the NHLP formula to review the 1998 through 2014 drafts and will be going over the results throughout the summer. Crosby and McDavid sit 1st and 2nd out of every CHL forward drafted in the last 18 years, which coincides with everybody calling them generational talents. If you are curious to know who sits in the third position and what his point totals are:
Non-Power Play | ||
Goals | Assists | Points |
30.43 | 25.69 | 56.12 |
Power Play | ||
Goals | Assists | Points |
11.22 | 27.42 | 38.63 |
Total | ||
Goals | Assists | Points |
41.64 | 53.11 | 94.75 |
Only 8 points back of McDavid, but mainly due to power play scoring, this player’s non-power play production was only about ¾ that of the two player’s above him. I guess that why despite being a 1st overall pick, that is what separates a future superstar in Pat Kane versus a generational talent in McDavid and Crosby.
When breaking down McDavid and Crosby what jumps out is that Sidney Crosby projects to be a more productive power play specialist than McDavid. Part of the reason is due to the fact Sidney Crosby is the younger player in his draft year being born on August 7th compared to January 13th in McDavid. If McDavid were born on August 7th, he would project to be:
Goals | Assists | Points |
42.23 | 64.98 | 107.21 |
McDavid would project to almost the same levels as Sidney Crosby if they were both the same age. One theory I have is that time on ice is the biggest factor affected by age and if you were the coach of either of these players I would expect a lot of power play time. If that is the case, the formula could possibly be inflating Crosby’s totals, as he would have received much more power play time than the average player would his age. Despite that, Sidney Crosby still projects to be the more effective power play specialist, as he would have 6 more power play points than McDavid instead of 10. Whether this is due to him being a more effective player on the power play or due to other reasons such as TOI, quality of team or just plain luck are the unknown factors. What we do know is that McDavid’s even strength projections are slightly better than Sid the Kid and much better than a star junior player like Pat Kane. In the end, Crosby wins the NHLP projections due to his superior power play scoring but he does not edge McDavid by much.
As for how good McDavid will be, the stats back it up that he deserves mentioning in the same generational terms as Sidney Crosby. He is also 6’1 compared to Crosby at 5’11 and while both are amazing skaters, McDavid is the faster and more natural skater at the same age. It is safe to say that McDavid is the best prospect to come out of the CHL since a young Sidney Crosby in 2005. With his skating and frame, an argument can be made that his upside is even higher than Sid the Kid. All I can say is that the Edmonton Oilers are one lucky team. And as a fan of the team so am I.
Hey, I saw this on oilers HFB. (Im IV XIV XCI on there).
I am at work and was only able to skim this so perhaps you answered it above.
We all know that the NHL has changed considerably in the last ten years and while Sid cracked 100 right away, he didnt even have 90 this year. What I wonder is, as the NHL game changed in the past decade, has the jr level game evolved in a similar manner?
Has scoring decreased at a proportional rate? Have coaches changed systems and players changed their work ethic and rituals?
If so, what do you think we’ll see from McDavid next year vs what he could have done in 2005
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The scoring in juniors took off post 2006 the same year it did in the NHL when Crosby entered the league post lock out. I haven’t seen the same downward trend in scoring in juniors as the NHL. As for what McDavid could do next year. I’ll do a early prediction of 75 points.
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Interesting read. Thanks for posting.
Out of curiosity, do you think draft -1 season has an effect on overall potential? I ask because that’s one area where Crosby very clearly had McDavid beat. It’s not easy to find those areas. What do you make of it?
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I do not pay much attention to draft -1. If anything players who do well early get overrated and scouts have trouble letting go of that early potential. That’s why I cant tell you very much about 2016. That’s for next season.
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Fair point. I guess we can add David Musil to that pile of players.
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