One way to evaluate prospects is by comparing them statistically against prior draft years. Typically, most people simply compare just points-per-game but that discounts the fact that different players score a different percentage of their points on the power play versus at even strength. I created what I call the NHL Projection formula (NHLP), which is a formula that takes a CHL player’s non-power play and power play stats in their first draft eligible year and projects what they will produce in their best NHL season. It also takes age into account, which I have found has an effect on only power play production. I have prorated the numbers over an 82 game season. In Part I, we will look at the QMJHL forwards that project to have 60+ point potential in their best NHL season. We will than look at the players that are the most statistically comparable from past draft years. I have gone back and applied the NHLP formula to over 500+ players since the 1998 draft so there is just a couple to choose from. The criteria for comparable players is that they will have:
- NHLP within +/- 2.5 %
- Height within +/- 1 inch
- For players 6’4+, the range of height for comparables will be any players over 6’2 due to lack of comparables.
- For players 5’9 and shorter it will be any player less than 5’10.
When comparing, I have broken the players into three categories:
- Players who played 100+ NHL Games
- Players whose first draft eligible year is 2008 or previous and they have yet to play in 100 NHL games.
- Players drafted between 2009 and 2014 who have not yet reached 100 games. For these players it is too early to call which of the first two categories they will fall into in the future.
NAME | POS | ST | HT | WT |
ANTHONY BEAUVILLIER | C | L | 5.10 | 173 |
NHLP | G | A | P | |
30.92 | 36.34 | 67.26 |
COMPARABLE PLAYERS (100+ NHL GAMES)
NAME | HT | WT | # | G | A | P |
NAIL YAKUPOV | 5.11 | 190 | 1 | 31.05 | 37.13 | 68.18 |
CLAUDE GIROUX | 5.11 | 172 | 22 | 25.46 | 40.78 | 66.24 |
COMPARABLE PLAYERS (100+ NHL GAMES)<100 NHL GAMES
NAME | HT | WT | # | G | A | P |
JUSTIN PAPINEAU | 5.10 | 166 | 46 | 28.83 | 37.88 | 66.72 |
COMPARABLE PLAYERS DRAFTED 2009-2014(<100 GAMES)
NAME | HT | WT | # | G | A | P |
JORDAN WEAL | 5.10 | 171 | 70 | 23.86 | 43.98 | 67.84 |
MAX DOMI | 5.10 | 194 | 12 | 28.81 | 37.97 | 66.78 |
SHANE PRINCE | 5.11 | 190 | 61 | 20.50 | 45.97 | 66.47 |
Average Pick: 35.3
Top 10 Picks: 1
1st Round Picks: 3/6 (50.0%)
2nd Round Picks: 1/6 (16.7%)
3rd Round Picks: 2/6 (33.3%)
With small players, there can be very little that separates what makes a 1st round choice or what makes a 3rd round choice. Qualities such as skating and the ability to play in the tough offensive areas are two traits that I find scouts will focus on when evaluating a forward like Beauvillier. With it a deep draft and the lack of buzz around Beauvillier as a 1st round choice, he is most likely to be either a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
NAME | POS | ST | HT | WT |
TIMO MEIER | RW | L | 6.01 | 209 |
NHLP | G | A | P | |
30.43 | 36.06 | 66.49 |
COMPARABLE PLAYERS (100+ NHL GAMES)
NAME | HT | WT | # | G | A | P |
STEVE BERNIER | 6.02 | 225 | 16 | 33.57 | 33.89 | 67.46 |
OLEG SAPRYKIN | 6.01 | 175 | 11 | 32.17 | 35.17 | 67.34 |
BOBBY RYAN | 6.01 | 215 | 2 | 27.31 | 39.82 | 67.14 |
BRAYDEN SCHENN | 6.00 | 193 | 5 | 25.69 | 41.31 | 67.00 |
STEPHEN WEISS | 6.00 | 185 | 4 | 28.81 | 37.87 | 66.69 |
JOFFREY LUPUL | 6.02 | 204 | 7 | 34.84 | 31.40 | 66.24 |
CORY EMMERTON | 6.00 | 190 | 41 | 19.92 | 45.05 | 64.97 |
COMPARABLE PLAYERS (<100 NHL GAMES)
NAME | HT | WT | # | G | A | P |
FRANCOIS BOUCHARD | 6.01 | 180 | 35 | 23.12 | 44.37 | 67.49 |
BRETT LYSAK | 6.00 | 190 | 49 | 29.99 | 36.60 | 66.59 |
COMPARABLE PLAYERS DRAFTED 2009-2014(<100 GAMES)
NAME | HT | WT | # | G | A | P |
MIKHAIL GRIGORENKO | 6.02 | 191 | 12 | 31.19 | 36.17 | 67.36 |
IVAN BARBASHEV | 6.01 | 185 | 33 | 25.88 | 40.58 | 66.47 |
ZACK PHILLIPS | 6.00 | 180 | 28 | 24.63 | 40.49 | 65.12 |
Average Pick: 20.3
Top 10 Picks: 4
1st Round Picks: 8/12 (66.7%)
2nd Round Picks: 4/12 (33.3%)
Meier is a player that has continued to move up the rankings and is considered a likely top 15 choice at this point. When looking at the comparables forwards taken in the top 20 in 2009 or earlier, all of them have gone on to play 100+ NHL games with. If Meier follows a similar trend, he is a safe pick and a good bet to be a NHL pro with top six upside.
NAME | POS | ST | HT | WT |
EVGENY SVECHNIKOV | LW | L | 6.02 | 199 |
NHLP | G | A | P | |
25.65 | 39.15 | 64.80 |
COMPARABLE PLAYERS (100+ NHL GAMES)
NAME | HT | WT | # | G | A | P |
JOFFREY LUPUL | 6.02 | 204 | 7 | 34.84 | 31.40 | 66.24 |
JOSHUA BAILEY | 6.01 | 195 | 9 | 19.84 | 44.36 | 64.20 |
SCOTT HARTNELL | 6.02 | 185 | 6 | 23.06 | 41.14 | 64.20 |
NATHAN HORTON | 6.02 | 195 | 3 | 32.52 | 31.38 | 63.90 |
SIMON GAGNE | 6.01 | 172 | 22 | 31.43 | 32.46 | 63.89 |
COMPARABLE PLAYERS (<100 NHL GAMES)
NAME | HT | WT | # | G | A | P |
ANGELO ESPOSITO | 6.01 | 190 | 20 | 24.38 | 39.85 | 64.23 |
COMPARABLE PLAYERS DRAFTED 2009-2014(<100 GAMES)
NAME | HT | WT | # | G | A | P |
SCOTT GLENNIE | 6.02 | 192 | 8 | 22.58 | 41.86 | 64.44 |
Average Pick: 10.7
Top 10 Picks: 5
1st Round Picks: 7/7 (100.0%)
Forwards that are 6’2 and have an NHLP of 60+ are rare players and all but one of them have been taken as first round picks (Brett MacLean went 32nd in 2007). In most years if a player puts up Svechnikov’s numbers, he would be a lock for a top 10 pick, but that is not the case this year. Either Svechnikov has a knock on his game that is dragging him down to being considered a mid 1st round pick or he is being undervalued. Time will tell.
NAME | POS | ST | HT | WT |
ANTHONY RICHARD | C | L | 5.10 | 163 |
NHLP | G | A | P | |
33.91 | 30.11 | 64.02 |
COMPARABLE PLAYERS (100+ NHL GAMES)
NAME | HT | WT | # | G | A | P |
RAFFI TORRES | 5.11 | 200 | 5 | 32.87 | 32.68 | 65.55 |
DEREK MACKENZIE | 5.10 | 170 | 128 | 18.16 | 46.91 | 65.07 |
JURAJ KOLNIK | 5.10 | 180 | 101 | 33.93 | 29.50 | 63.43 |
DEREK ROY | 5.09 | 185 | 32 | 31.90 | 30.95 | 62.84 |
COMPARABLE PLAYERS (<100 NHL GAMES)
NAME | HT | WT | # | G | A | P |
MIKE DANTON | 5.10 | 190 | UD | 27.77 | 35.72 | 63.50 |
ALEX BOURRET | 5.10 | 211 | 16 | 24.44 | 38.62 | 63.06 |
COMPARABLE PLAYERS DRAFTED 2009-2014(<100 GAMES)
NAME | HT | WT | # | G | A | P |
BRAYDEN POINT | 5.10 | 160 | 79 | 24.08 | 38.60 | 62.68 |
Average Pick: 90.6
Top 10 Picks: 1
1st Round Picks: 2/7 (28.6%)
2nd Round Picks: 1/7 (14.3%)
3rd Round Picks: 1/7 (14.3%)
4th Round Picks: 1/7 (14.3%)
5th Round Picks: 1/7 (14.3%)
Undrafted Picks: 1/7 (14.3%)
5’10 forwards like Richard are sometimes chosen as 1st round or early 2nd round picks but they need to have some qualities and skills that draws a scout towards them. Otherwise there is a good chance that they get passed over due to size and could slide to being a 3rd round or later pick. In the case of Richard, the latter is more likely, but his offensive skills warrant top 100 consideration.
NAME | POS | ST | HT | WT |
DANIEL SPRONG | RW | R | 6.00 | 180 |
NHLP | G | A | P | |
29.53 | 33.07 | 62.59 |
COMPARABLE PLAYERS (100+ NHL GAMES)
NAME | HT | WT | # | G | A | P |
MATT DUCHENE | 6.00 | 196 | 3 | 27.73 | 36.37 | 64.10 |
SIMON GAGNE | 6.01 | 172 | 22 | 31.43 | 32.46 | 63.89 |
MIKE RICHARDS | 6.00 | 192 | 24 | 25.77 | 37.88 | 63.65 |
GUILLAUME LATENDRESSE | 6.01 | 225 | 45 | 23.96 | 39.18 | 63.14 |
MIKE ZIGOMANIS | 6.00 | 175 | 64 | 20.32 | 42.39 | 62.72 |
MIKKEL BOEDKER | 5.11 | 201 | 8 | 23.88 | 38.08 | 61.97 |
DUSTIN BROWN | 6.01 | 203 | 13 | 28.48 | 33.35 | 61.83 |
TYLER TOFFOLI | 6.00 | 186 | 47 | 29.64 | 32.18 | 61.82 |
SCOTTIE UPSHALL | 6.00 | 182 | 6 | 23.47 | 37.90 | 61.37 |
DAN FRITSCHE | 6.01 | 194 | 46 | 27.82 | 33.43 | 61.25 |
GABRIEL LANDESKOG | 6.01 | 207 | 2 | 33.16 | 28.00 | 61.16 |
BRAD BOYES | 6.00 | 168 | 24 | 27.40 | 33.66 | 61.07 |
COMPARABLE PLAYERS (<100 NHL GAMES)
NAME | HT | WT | # | G | A | P |
ERIC O’DELL | 6.00 | 195 | 39 | 28.91 | 34.97 | 63.88 |
DUNCAN MILROY | 6.00 | 190 | 37 | 26.20 | 36.96 | 63.15 |
NICOLAS CORBEIL | 5.11 | 172 | 88 | 24.47 | 37.57 | 62.04 |
MAREK ZAGRAPAN | 6.00 | 200 | 13 | 26.52 | 35.27 | 61.79 |
COMPARABLE PLAYERS DRAFTED 2009-2014(<100 GAMES)
NAME | HT | WT | # | G | A | P |
GREG MCKEGG | 6.00 | 200 | 62 | 27.86 | 36.28 | 64.14 |
JOSH HO SANG | 5.11 | 166 | 28 | 23.20 | 38.15 | 61.34 |
MATT PEUMPEL | 6.00 | 208 | 24 | 31.01 | 30.04 | 61.06 |
Average Pick: 31.3
Top 10 Picks: 4
1st Round Picks: 11/19 (57.9%)
2nd Round Picks: 5/19 (26.3%)
3rd Round Picks: 3/19 (15.8%)
With 16 of 19 comparables being picked in the top 50, that is a likely destination for Sprong. What I like to see, when looking at the comparables, is a high percentage of players in the 100+ NHL game category. When you rule out players drafted after 2009 with less than 100 NHL games, there is 12 of 16 (75%) of the comparables players that have over 100 NHL games played. Players with Sprong’s height and numbers are a good bet to become solid pros, generally with top six upside.
NAME | POS | ST | HT | WT |
FILIP CHLAPIK | C | L | 6.01 | 196 |
NHLP | G | A | P | |
25.61 | 35.12 | 60.73 |
COMPARABLE PLAYERS (100+ NHL GAMES)
NAME | HT | WT | # | G | A | P |
CHRIS STEWART | 6.02 | 226 | 18 | 26.73 | 35.13 | 61.86 |
SEAN MONAHAN | 6.02 | 193 | 6 | 24.63 | 37.20 | 61.83 |
DUSTIN BROWN | 6.01 | 203 | 13 | 28.48 | 33.35 | 61.83 |
TYLER TOFFOLI | 6.00 | 186 | 47 | 29.64 | 32.18 | 61.82 |
JAMES SHEPPARD | 6.02 | 213 | 9 | 22.91 | 38.50 | 61.41 |
SCOTTIE UPSHALL | 6.00 | 182 | 6 | 23.47 | 37.90 | 61.37 |
DAN FRITSCHE | 6.01 | 194 | 46 | 27.82 | 33.43 | 61.25 |
GABRIEL LANDESKOG | 6.01 | 207 | 2 | 33.16 | 28.00 | 61.16 |
BRAD BOYES | 6.00 | 168 | 24 | 27.40 | 33.66 | 61.07 |
CODY HODGSON | 6.00 | 188 | 10 | 32.39 | 28.50 | 60.89 |
JONATHAN CHEECHOO | 6.00 | 190 | 29 | 25.65 | 34.63 | 60.28 |
JAMIE LUNDMARK | 6.00 | 174 | 9 | 26.91 | 33.12 | 60.03 |
PATRICE BERGERON | 6.00 | 190 | 45 | 19.89 | 39.94 | 59.83 |
MATTHEW STAJAN | 6.01 | 190 | 57 | 22.32 | 37.48 | 59.80 |
ROB SCHREMP | 6.00 | 185 | 25 | 27.01 | 32.71 | 59.72 |
MARC POULIOT | 6.02 | 188 | 22 | 26.45 | 33.04 | 59.49 |
MICHEL OUELLET | 6.01 | 200 | 124 | 24.41 | 34.96 | 59.37 |
COMPARABLE PLAYERS (<100 NHL GAMES)
NAME | HT | WT | # | G | A | P |
MAREK ZAGRAPAN | 6.00 | 200 | 13 | 26.52 | 35.27 | 61.79 |
JOSH HENNESSY | 6.00 | 194 | 43 | 22.60 | 37.31 | 59.91 |
COMPARABLE PLAYERS DRAFTED 2009-2014(<100 GAMES)
NAME | HT | WT | # | G | A | P |
BRETT CONNOLLY | 6.02 | 203 | 6 | 32.30 | 29.53 | 61.82 |
MATT PEUMPEL | 6.00 | 208 | 24 | 31.01 | 30.04 | 61.06 |
WILLIAM CARRIER | 6.01 | 194 | 57 | 23.41 | 37.18 | 60.60 |
KERBY RYCHEL | 6.01 | 202 | 19 | 27.98 | 31.96 | 59.94 |
NIKITA SCHERBAK | 6.02 | 174 | 26 | 21.92 | 37.50 | 59.42 |
Average Pick: 28.3
Top 10 Picks: 7
1st Round Picks: 17/24 (70.8%)
2nd Round Picks: 6/24 (25.0%)
5th Round Picks: 1/24 (4.2%)
With 70% of the comparable forwards being 1st round picks, Chlapik is the type of centre you would typically expect to see in the first round of all the draft rankings. This is not the case this year and Chlapik seems like he may fall into the group of players taken in the 2nd round. If we rule out the younger players that have yet to play 100 games, almost 90% of the comparable forwards have gone on to play 100+ NHL games. The numbers strongly suggest, Chlapik deserves to get 1st round consideration.
CONCLUSION
Using the NHLP formula, out of the three leagues in the CHL, the QMJHL has the most top end depth with 6 players projecting to have 60+ point potential for their best NHL season. In comparison, the OHL had 4 while the WHL only had two. In terms of offensive talent, this is one of the best years in recent memory for the Q. Despite that talent in the Q, there may be more players taken in the first round from the OHL as small players like Beauvillier and Richard will likely slide to 2nd or 3rd round choices at best. Svechnikov and Meier on the other hand, are all but guaranteed first round choices and statistically warrant consideration as top 10 picks. Meanwhile, Sprong and Chlapik are both players that would generally be considered consensus first round choices, but due to the depth of the draft, may slide to the second round. In the case of Sprong and Chlapik, the success of the comparable players in their range strongly suggest taking them as first round picks and that the players from the QMJHL may be getting underrated from the scouts. This is a draft year in which your best bet at stealing a skilled offensive player is to put your focus on the QMJHL.
This is great read, I really love it.
Are you going to this also for other guys playing in Europe or in America? And have you thought about formula for them? If you want, I can help you find their powerplay and non-powerplay stats, if that would make it easier for your and that you could also project them?
I just wanted to say, that you make really good analysis, I can’t wait for your next article.
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I am going to apply it to the 2015 USHL,US NTDP and to NCAA. As for Europe I am running out of time and may not get to Super elit J20 or MHL like I wanted to. As for past data I do not have that info. For the US and European players I was planning to use the CHL formula and than leave room for interpretation based on perceived quality of the league. Nhl equivalencies for European junior leagues are needed. Now if you have any power play data I am more than willing to except help. Much thanks.
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Awesome, can’t wait for your article on the U.S. programs! Thanks, Brad, your articles are excellent reads and re-reads. 🙂
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Do you need powerplay stats for Rantanen or just for guys playing in junior leagues? I’m trying to find as much information as I can get you, hopefully I’ll have more time in next days.
Is this enough information or you need something more?
example Rantanen
56 games played in Liiga – 28 points.
6 even strength goals, 15 even strength assists (11 of those were primary assists).
3 powerplay goals, 4 powerplay assists (2 of those were primary).
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That is exactly what I need and it does not have to be junior players. I really appreciate any help so thank you kindly. (I also do not need to know whether primary assists or not). For Liiga players I will adjust their stats by a factor of 1.8 based on NHL equivalencies (.54/.3) and from there I will apply the formula. For Rantanen his adjusted numbers give him a projection of 48.90. These numbers do not look great but lets just break it down between non PP scoring and PP scoring projections and make some comparisons.
Svechnikov 47.31
Rantanen 41.37
Crouse 39.44
Zacha 35.58
PP
Svechnikov 17.49
Rantanen 7.53
Crouse 14.02
Zacha 15.36
Basically lack of PP time is giving low projections for Rantanen. If we adjust his PP scoring to the average PP scoring of the three CHL players his number jumps from 48.9 to 57.0 which would put him 2nd out of the four players. With evaluating European pros there are more assumptions we have to make (significantly less PP ice time, possibly less even strength ice time, NHL equivalency) which make the formula less accurate.
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This is great read, thank you.
You are using NHL equivalence numbers posted on http://www.behindthenet.ca/projecting_to_nhl.php, am I correct?
I’ve read a few articles, that stated that equivalence numbers have dropped, which is probably correct. But nonetheless, I found some additional equivalences.
Allsvenskan: 0,36 (http://nhlnumbers.com/2012/11/5/allsvenskan-nhl-equilvance)
I found this article about European leagues: http://www.puckworlds.com/2011/8/4/2344313/how-good-is-the-khl.
Plus, its author posted this comment:
KHL: 0.65
SHL: 0.49
Liiga: 0.42
NLA: 0.39
Czech: 0.38
VHL (Rus2): 0.37
Slovak: 0.33
MHL (Russian Jrs): 0.21
on this page: http://nhlnumbers.com/2012/7/28/forwards-and-nhle-2012-draft.
I do believe that leagues are a little bit better than this guy posted, but I can’t figure out how much.
But for missing leagues, this is definitely helpful information and I prorated them to be in line with equivalence numbers you are using:
VHL: 0,47
Slovak: 0,42
MHL: 0,268
But I believe those aren’t correct, I believe they should be a little bit lower,I think that VHL is worse than NLA.
I will do my own calculations in next weeks, hopefully I’ll be done at least 1 week before draft, so that you’ll be able to use it in your calculations.
I can’t wait your articles about American prospects.
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Roope Hintz
42 games played in Liiga – 17 points.
5 even strength goals, 12 even strength assists (8 of those were primary assists).
No powerplay points, if I checked correctly he didn’t play on PP at all.
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I know I’m posting way too much comments on your blog, but I have a short question regarding your formula.
When I used it for Rantanen, I got this numbers:
((0.231+.404*0,675) + (1.694+(0.363*0,225)-(0.089*0,877049180327868)) )*82
Non-PP points: 41,3034
PP points: 139,2047
Is there a mistake in your formula or I did something wrong, since I can’t figure out correct PP numbers, it is always way too high, should it be (0,1694+(0,363*PPpoints/G)-(0,089*age on 15.9.2015)?
In such case his numbers are:
Non-PP points remain the same, 41,3034
PP points change and are: 14,1874
Thank you for your answer and I’m sorry that I’ve taken you away some precious time.
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